Shapiro discussion starts at around 4:20 if you want to skip the tour information.

This is an alternate posting of Ben Shapiro’s May 6 premiere Sunday Special discussion with me (

Ben and I had a very intense discussion about the nesting of human perception and cognition in the mythic world – a better discussion, I think, than I’ve had with anyone.

I’ve added to the beginning of our discussion an update on available tickets for my US 12 Rules for Life tour, and an announcement of 10 additional Canadian dates (see

I hope you find the discussion useful.

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